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Hall Of Fame Debate: Gimme Five!!!

Hall Of Fame Debate: Gimme Five!!!

I thought that this would be a fun way to start off the ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ at 30-Year Old Cardboard.

What I am seeking is your list of five eligible players that you would give your vote to for Hall of Fame election.  Your list can be made up of players that have been on the ballot for several years or guys that are fairly new to the list of eligible players.

**My one requisite is that you omit any/all of the players that are eligible for the first time in 2013.  So, no Bonds, Clemens, Schilling, Biggio, Piazza, etc…  We will discuss those guys, I promise, in great detail.

But for now, I want to see what kind of dialogue we can get going about the players on the prior ballots that have yet to make the cut.

I am going to participate in this as well.  You can say that am giving myself five, if you wish.

And here they are, in random order:

Tim Raines

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Lee Smith

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Alan Trammell

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Rafael Palmeiro

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Dale Murphy

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Agree or Disagree with my picks?  Great, let’s chat about it.

Ultimately, I will compile a list of all of the players that make the cut in your eyes and try to examine their careers further.

Thank you for your participation.  Have a great night!!

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – The Archives

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – The Archives

Some of the most spirited dialogue on this blog has come as a result of the Hall of Fame topics that I have brought up in the past.

So, as I continue to work towards debuting this new weekly series at ’30-YOC’, I thought I would try to get you in the mood for a little ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’.

Here are some of the things that you can expect to see in the coming Thursdays:

1 vote for the Hall of Fame – Bagwell or Biggio???

Chipper Jones May Be The Best 3rd Baseman EVER!!!

Voting For 1: Trevor Hoffman OR Andy Pettitte

Cast Your Vote: What Hat Should Gary Sheffield Wear Into Cooperstown??

Let The Numbers Do The Talking: Maddux VS Johnson VS Clemens

Is Edgar Martinez Hall of Fame Worthy???

I think that is enough to whet your whistle…

The new topics will begin next Thursday so stay tuned.

Bonds, Clemens, Biggio, Schilling, Sosa, Piazza Headline Hall Of Fame Ballot For Class Of 2013

Bonds, Clemens, Biggio, Schilling, Sosa, Piazza Headline Hall Of Fame Ballot For Class Of 2013

From Yahoo Sports:

NEW YORK (AP) — The most polarizing Hall of Fame debate since Pete Rose will now be decided by the baseball shrine’s voters: Do Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens and Sammy Sosa belong in Cooperstown despite drug allegations that tainted their huge numbers?

In a monthlong election sure to become a referendum on the Steroids Era, the Hall ballot was released Wednesday, and Bonds, Clemens and Sosa are on it for the first time.

Bonds is the all-time home run champion with 762 and won a record seven MVP awards. Clemens took home a record seven Cy Young trophies and is ninth with 354 victories. Sosa ranks eighth on the homer chart with 609.

Yet for all their HRs, RBIs and Ws, the shadow of PEDs looms large.

”You could see for years that this particular ballot was going to be controversial and divisive to an unprecedented extent,” Larry Stone of The Seattle Times wrote in an email. ”My hope is that some clarity begins to emerge over the Hall of Fame status of those linked to performance-enhancing drugs. But I doubt it.”

More than 600 longtime members of the Baseball Writers’ Association of America will vote on the 37-player ballot. Candidates require 75 percent for induction, and the results will be announced Jan. 9.

Craig Biggio, Mike Piazza and Curt Schilling also are among the 24 first-time eligibles. Jack Morris, Jeff Bagwell and Tim Raines are the top holdover candidates.

If recent history is any indication, the odds are solidly stacked against Bonds, Clemens and Sosa. Mark McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro both posted Cooperstown-caliber stats, too, but drug clouds doomed them in Hall voting.

Some who favor Bonds and Clemens claim the bulk of their accomplishments came before baseball got wrapped up in drug scandals. They add that PED use was so prevalent in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s that it’s unfair to exclude anyone because so many who-did-and-who-didn’t questions remain.

Many fans on the other side say drug cheats – suspected or otherwise – should never be afforded the game’s highest individual honor.

Either way, this election is baseball’s newest hot button, generating the most fervent Hall arguments since Rose. The discussion about Rose was moot, however – the game’s career hits leader agreed to a lifetime ban in 1989 after an investigation concluded he bet on games while managing the Cincinnati Reds, and that barred him from the BBWAA ballot.

The BBWAA election rules allow voters to pick up to 10 candidates. As for criteria, this is the only instruction: ”Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.”

That leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

Bonds, Clemens and Sosa won’t get a vote from Mike Klis of The Denver Post.

”Nay on all three. I think in all three cases, their performances were artificially enhanced. Especially in the cases of Bonds and Clemens, their production went up abnormally late in their careers,” he wrote in an email.

They’ll do better with Bob Dutton of The Kansas City Star.

”I plan to vote for all three. I understand the steroid/PED questions surrounding each one, and I’ve wrestled with the implications,” he wrote in an email.

”My view is these guys played and posted Hall of Fame-type numbers against the competition of their time. That will be my sole yardstick. If Major League Baseball took no action against a player during his career for alleged or suspected steroid/PED use, I’m not going to do so in assessing their career for the Hall of Fame,” he said.

San Jose Mercury News columnist Mark Purdy will reserve judgment.

”At the beginning of all this, I made up my mind I had to adopt a consistent policy on the steroid social club. So, my policy has been, with the brilliance in the way they set up the Hall of Fame vote where these guys have a 15-year window, I’m not going to vote for any of those guys until I get the best picture possible of what was happening then,” he wrote in an email.

”We learn a little bit more each year. We learned a lot during the Bonds trial. We learned a lot during the Clemens trial. I don’t want to say I’m never going to vote for any of them. I want to wait until the end of their eligibility window and have my best idea of what was really going on,” he said.

Clemens was acquitted this summer in federal court on six counts that he lied and obstructed Congress when he denied using performance-enhancing drugs.

Bonds was found guilty in 2011 by a federal court jury on one count of obstruction of justice, ruling he gave an evasive answer in 2003 to a grand jury looking into the distribution of illegal steroids. Bonds is appealing the verdict.

McGwire is 10th on the career home run list with 583, but has never received even 24 percent in his six Hall tries. Big Mac has admitted to using steroids and human growth hormone.

Palmeiro is among only four players with 500 homers and 3,000 hits, yet has gotten a high of just 12.6 percent in his two years on the ballot. He drew a 10-day suspension in 2005 after a positive test for PEDs, and said the result was due to a vitamin vial given to him by teammate Miguel Tejada.

Biggio topped the 3,000-hit mark – which always has been considered an automatic credential for Cooperstown – and spent his entire career with the Houston Astros.

”Hopefully, the writers feel strongly that they liked what they saw, and we’ll see what happens,” Biggio said last week.

Schilling was 216-146 and won three World Series championships, including his ”bloody sock” performance for the Boston Red Sox in 2004.

Coming Soon To ’30-YOC’ – ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’

Coming Soon To ’30-YOC’ – ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’

I think that you’re all going to really like this!!

I try to bring a few regular events to ’30-YOC’ to give you something to latch on to that appeals to what you like about our wonderful hobby and this amazing sport.

On Sundays, I offer you my ‘Top Ten Lists’.
On Mondays, I feature a card of the newest subset that I am building.

And now, I am ready to introduce the newest weekly event coming to 30-Year Old Cardboard.  It is called, ‘Hall of Fame Debate’.

And it is exactly what it sounds like!  Everyone has an opinion, whether right or wrong about the state of the Hall of Fame and its current and possibly future members.  I have written a lot about it in the past, but I have never really organized the posts very well.

Well, that is all going to change.  The Hall of Fame posts that I have written in the past have been some of the most spirited on the site.  As a matter of fact, they are my inspiration for creating this new weekly series.

And it will launch on Thursday nights!!

So, stay tuned to ’30-YOC’ so you too can voice your opinion about all things that are Hall of Fame related.

The first step in this process for me is to comb through the 7,600+ posts that I have authored on this blog and load the appropriate ones into this newly created category.  And then from there, it will be time to go!!!

Thanks for reading.

Did You Know…

Since 2000, the team with the most inductees into the Baseball Hall Of Fame is the Boston Red Sox.  The Sox have had three former players inducted since 2000 – Carlton Fisk in 2000, Wade Boggs in 2005, and Jim Rice in 2009.

If You Had Just One Vote, Who Would Get It???

If You Had Just One Vote, Who Would Get It???

OK, so obviously the major headline this week in both the baseball and baseball card world is Barry Larkin’s election into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

I like Larkin, always have.  In my eyes, he is certainly a Hall of Fame talent.  But I do think that there were some other eligible players on the list that deserved enshrinement into Cooperstown before Mr. Larkin.

As we all know, the writers of the BWAA have the ability to vote for up to ten players annually for induction into the Hall of Fame.  And over the last 7-10 days, I have read countless blogs discussing and making strong arguments for many of the players that have yet to be elected.

I want to join in that discussion.

So, here is my question ‘If You Had Just One Vote, Who Would Get It’???

You don’t get ten, or nine, or even two votes – Just ONE VOTE!!!

Let me know who you think is the most worthy of all of the possible inductees.  Not who you think will get in – but is the MOST worthy of the eligible list.

I’ll get it started – and it is not easy.  But after weighing all of the stats, and going back to my days as a kid watching tons of baseball in the 1980′s, and thinking about the players and their team and league impact, my choice is clear.

So, no disrespect to some of the guys that I really loved watching play as a kid – Dale Murphy, Alan Trammell, Lee Smith, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris - I have great memories of watching each of you dominate the sport at points of your career.

But for me, the ONE guy I think deserves election into the Hall of Fame more than any other eligible player is:

Mr. Tim Raines.

Now, let me know who you’ve got!!!

10 Named To Baseball Hall Of Fame Golden Ballot

10 Named To Baseball Hall Of Fame Golden Ballot

Cooperstown, NY

Former Dodgers first baseman Gil Hodges and general manager Buzzie Bavasi and former Athletics owner Charlie Finley are among 10 candidates for the baseball Hall of Fame who will be on the Veterans Committee ballot next month.

Ken Boyer, Jim Kaat, Minnie Minoso, Tony Oliva, Allie Reynolds, Ron Santo and Luis Tiant also will be on the Golden Era ballot, which will be voted on by the 16-member committee on Dec. 5 at the winter meetings in Dallas.

This year’s committee will consider candidates from the so-called “Golden Era,” from 1947-72.

Candidates must receive votes on 75 percent of the ballot to be elected. Those elected will be inducted on July 22 along with any players voted in by the Baseball Writers’ Association of America on Jan. 9.

An eight-time All-Star, Hodges helped the Dodgers win seven pennants and two World Series, then managed the New York Mets to their first World Series title in 1969. His 63.4 percent vote on his final BBWAA ballot in 1983 is the highest percentage for a player who didn’t enter the Hall in a later year.

The Dodgers won four World Series and eight pennants while Bavasi was GM from 1951-67, and he went on to head baseball operations for the San Diego Padres (1968-77) and California Angels (1978-84).

Finley owned the Kansas City and Oakland A’s from 1960-80, winning three World Series titles while feuding with his players and baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn.

The committee that will vote includes Hall of Famers Hank Aaron, Al Kaline, Ralph Kiner, Tommy Lasorda, Juan Marichal, Brooks Robinson, Don Sutton and Billy Williams; current team executives Paul Beeston, Bill DeWitt Roland Hemond and Gene Michael, retired executive Al Rosen and media members Dick Kaegel, Jack O’Connell and Dave Van Dyck.

The pre-integration era (1871-46) will be considered at the 2012 winter meetings and the expansion era (1973-present) in 2013, when retired managers Bobby Cox, Tony La Russa and Joe Torre are likely to be on the ballot.

Did You Know…

The position of third base has the fewest number of big leaguers in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.  Hosting just 10 third basemen, the position ranks six notches behind that of catcher that can claim 16.

Congratulations To The Newest Members Of The Baseball Hall Of Fame – Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar!!!

Congratulations To The Newest Members Of The Baseball Hall Of Fame – Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar!!!

From all of us at ’30-Year Old Cardboard’, we just wanted to extend congratulations to the 2011 Baseball Hall of Fame, headlined by Bert Blyleven & Roberto Alomar!!!!

Congratulations Gentlemen – Well Deserved!!!

Regardless Of The Man, You Cannot Deny 3,000 Hits & 500 Home Runs!!!

Regardless Of The Man, You Cannot Deny 3,000 Hits & 500 Home Runs!!!

You may not like him as a person, and I am cool with that.  You may not like that he apparently lied and waved his finger at Congress, and I would understand that too.  Hell, you may not like him because of the mustache that he wears, and while I don’t understand it, I won’t hold that against you either.

But you cannot deny that what Rafael Palmeiro did on the baseball field for 20 seasons was not elite.  And beautiful too…

So here we are roughly two weeks removed from the announcement that he will not be inducted into Cooperstown as a member of the class of 2011. 

And the fact that he received just 11% of the votes is shocking to me!!!   Yes, I said SHOCKING!!!!

How can a player that collected 3,020 hits and 569 home runs be so hated?  It makes no sense – none at all.  Palmeiro is an elite player, and 1 of just 4 players in major league history to accomplish that feat.  And the company in that group is baseball royalty - Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Eddie Murray.

Think of all of the great players that are in the Hall of Fame that played in the same era and never came close to these numbers – Winfield, Ripken, Gwynn, Boggs, Dawson, Sandberg, and the list goes on to name some of baseball’s most legendary names too – Mantle, Musial, Frank Robinson, Griffey, Bonds, and more.

Palmeiro was a 4-time All-Star, 3-time Gold Glove winner, and recipient of 2 Silver Slugger awards.  A perenial contender for the MVP as well, he finished in the Top 15 for the award 6 times.

Rafael Palmeiro was an extraordinary performer at the major league level for two decades.  He deserves to be treated as such.  And he absolutely deserves more than 64 votes of confidence acknowledging that.

Raffy, if I had a vote you would have had 65!!  Keeping my fingers crossed that the rest of the baseball writers wake up and smell the coffee…