Hall Of Fame Debate: Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

Hall Of Fame Debate: Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

Since the introduction of my ‘Hall of Fame Debate’ series, we have discussed the career of Jack Morris on more than one occasion.  We’ve talked about his on-the-field accomplishments and we have even matched up his numbers to others to show just how good Morris performed as a big league pitcher.

But, tonight’s post is a little different.

This year is the final time that Morris’ name will land on a conventional Hall of Fame ballot.  This is the fifteenth time Morris is up for election – the final time!

In the past, we have seen that the last shot on the ballot can be beneficial.  It was for Jim Rice in 2009.  But, it does not always land you more votes as we saw just last year when Dale Murphy was on his 15th ballot.

So, my question tonight is this – Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

Does the fact that this is the 15th and final time that Morris will be on the ballot get him anything?  Does it get him a few more votes??  In the 2013 voting, Morris collected 385 votes, good for 67.7% of the vote but still well short of the needed 75%.

Jack Morris

Here is another look at what Morris accomplished in the majors:

527 starts with a 254-186 record.  Morris recorded 20 or more wins on three occasions and 15-19 wins nine times.  He has a career ERA of .390 with 2,478 strikeouts (league leader in 1983 with 232).  He threw 175 complete games and 28 shutouts during his career.  Morris’ K:9 inning ratio is 5.9:1.00 and his K:Walk ratio is 1.78:1.00.  In 3,824 innings of work, Morris allowed 3,567 hits and 1,815 runs scored against him.

As for accolades, Morris was named as an All-Star five times.  He also finished in the Top Five for the Cy Young Award on five occasions as well.

As for post-season play, this may be where Morris stands out the most.  He competed in three World Series match-ups and won all three times – 1984, 1991, 1992.  All three titles came with different teams too.  Morris has a post-season record of 7-4, with a 4-2 World Series record.  He was the MVP of the 1991 World Series in which he went 2-0 against the mighty Atlanta Braves.

Decisions, decisions…

For me, it comes down to the remainder of the ballot.  And I think that there is just too many worthy players on the ballot for Morris to pick up more votes than he did last year.  Sadly, I think he will get fewer votes this year than he did in years past as there are a lot more players on the ballot now that will grab votes.

Between Maddux, Glavine, Mussina, Kent, and Thomas – those guys are going to grab tons of votes.  Then you have Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, and Schilling still on the ballot from last year.  And don’t forget that votes will still be cast for Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds too.

Sadly, I think that the players that have been on the ballot for 8+ years are going to suffer the most over the next 4-5 years. The new additions to the ballot are going to keep forcing them farther and farther down the list so guys like Tim Raines, Lee Smith, and unfortunately Jack Morris are going to suffer as a result.

Sorry Mr. Morris, you would have my vote, but I just don’t see this happening…

What do you think??

12 responses to “Hall Of Fame Debate: Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

  1. His best chance was last year and the writers didn’t elect him. Too many worthier candidates this year have sealed his fate.

  2. I say no, he wont get in. Maybe someday from the veterans committee. I do have to say I would vote for him, but as an extremely biased Twins fan, he had my vote at game 7 of 91′.

  3. I say no. And really it’s the right choice. He was a very good pitcher. But I don’t think he’s Hall worthy

    • AG- I think many would argue against that, but with the pitchers I. The ballot and the ones comings in the next few years, his numbers were sure to drop considerably.

      Personally, I think it is good timing for him to be off the ballot as the Expansion Era may ultimately be kinder to him than the voters…

  4. I do not believe he will get in with this crowded ballot, and I don’t think he will fare very well with the Veterans Committee either–at least not for quite some time. In the 1980s I always thought of him as a HOFer, but looking at the stats he really doesn’t measure up. Dave Stieb, Rick Reuschel, and several other contemporaries have similar or better numbers, and I wouldn’t even consider putting them in the Hall of Fame.

  5. Jack Morris is always a tough case for me. I really didn’t watch him much except for his post-season appearances with the Blue Jays near the end of his career.

    Number wise I say no, but whenever I hear an interview with someone that played with him or against him, they say yes. That much respect from your peers has to be a big indicator that they know something the voters don’t.

    I think his numbers were largely dicated to the era in which he pitched. He went long into the games, which increases your chance of a loss, as well as your era. I could easily see if he went 6 or 7 innings rather than 8 as most pitchers of today, he could have maybe had 10-15 more wins and 10-15 less on his era.

    Will he get in on his final attempt? I would bet no. If Maddux and Glavine wasn’t on the ballot, then I could see a way.

  6. Even though I love giving guys you grew up with as many chances to get in, I think it is detrimental to the likes of Morris being compared to Maddux on the same ballot. I think they should shorten the window to be eligible to two or three years after retirement and after five years on the ballot, if you haven’t gotten in you move to the Veteran’s Committee ballot. 15 years is a big gap in my mind. In that 15 year gap, so many factors change: fences moved in, quality of bats, cleats, etc.

    Why can’t they add a new wing to the HOF? Have a room with 1st-time ballot HOFs (the elite of the elite) that separates them from guys that took multiple years. We all know that not all HOF players are equal. So instead of this “we can’t vote this guy in because we’re already voting in three 1st-time ballot players this year,” you let everyone that deserves to be in, in and then separate them out.

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