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Hall Of Fame Debate: Analyzing The Career Of Roy Halladay

Hall Of Fame Debate:  Analyzing The Career Of Roy Halladay

As soon as the announcement of Roy Halladay’s retirement hit my IPhone courtesy of my SportsCenter app, I immediately wondered how it would be reacted to by the baseball world.

Halladay has long been a favorite of mine, at one time he held the top spot among active pitchers not calling Miami home.

I compare him often to Fergie Jenkins – elite for a decade, and oftentimes overlooked because of where he played and how his teams fared while he starred with them.

And now, with his major league career closed, the question becomes – ‘Is Roy Halladay a Hall Of Famer’??

So, let’s debate!!!

Halladay Photo


The 16-year career ended with a record of 203-105, good for a win percentage of 65.9%.  He amassed an ERA of 3.38 and pitched 200 or more innings in a season eight times.  Halladay threw 67 complete games and tossed 20 shutouts.  In 2,749 innings of work, he struck out 2,117 batters while walking just 592 – good for a 3.58:1 ratio as well as a ratio of 6.9 strikeouts per 9 innings pitched.

Halladay was named as an All-Star eight times.  He finished in the Top 9 for the MVP Award on two occasions and he is a 2-time Cy Young Award winner.

He has pitched a perfect game and threw a no-hitter in his first postseason performance.

In his 16 season career, he only made the playoffs twice, both near the end of his career with the Phillies.  He has never played in a World Series.

It is quite a resume – but is it Hall of Fame worthy??

That is a very good question.

Can a player that averaged just over 12.5 wins per season rest along the likes of Tom Seaver or Juan Marichal?  Does a pitcher that was the ‘Ace’ of his staff for a decade but could not deliver the postseason deserve induction alongside baseball’s greatest of all-time??

For me, the answer is simple – IT IS YES!!!  Halladay was the dominant pitcher in the AL for a 8-year stretch that saw 2 Cy Young Awards and five more ‘Top 5’ finishes.  The numbers are completely impressive – and even more so when you look at the teams he faced while playing in the very competitive AL East.

He has my vote.

Does he have yours???  Let’s hear it.

Hall Of Fame Debate: Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

Hall Of Fame Debate: Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

Since the introduction of my ‘Hall of Fame Debate’ series, we have discussed the career of Jack Morris on more than one occasion.  We’ve talked about his on-the-field accomplishments and we have even matched up his numbers to others to show just how good Morris performed as a big league pitcher.

But, tonight’s post is a little different.

This year is the final time that Morris’ name will land on a conventional Hall of Fame ballot.  This is the fifteenth time Morris is up for election – the final time!

In the past, we have seen that the last shot on the ballot can be beneficial.  It was for Jim Rice in 2009.  But, it does not always land you more votes as we saw just last year when Dale Murphy was on his 15th ballot.

So, my question tonight is this – Will Jack Morris’ 15th Chance Be The One???

Does the fact that this is the 15th and final time that Morris will be on the ballot get him anything?  Does it get him a few more votes??  In the 2013 voting, Morris collected 385 votes, good for 67.7% of the vote but still well short of the needed 75%.

Jack Morris

Here is another look at what Morris accomplished in the majors:

527 starts with a 254-186 record.  Morris recorded 20 or more wins on three occasions and 15-19 wins nine times.  He has a career ERA of .390 with 2,478 strikeouts (league leader in 1983 with 232).  He threw 175 complete games and 28 shutouts during his career.  Morris’ K:9 inning ratio is 5.9:1.00 and his K:Walk ratio is 1.78:1.00.  In 3,824 innings of work, Morris allowed 3,567 hits and 1,815 runs scored against him.

As for accolades, Morris was named as an All-Star five times.  He also finished in the Top Five for the Cy Young Award on five occasions as well.

As for post-season play, this may be where Morris stands out the most.  He competed in three World Series match-ups and won all three times – 1984, 1991, 1992.  All three titles came with different teams too.  Morris has a post-season record of 7-4, with a 4-2 World Series record.  He was the MVP of the 1991 World Series in which he went 2-0 against the mighty Atlanta Braves.

Decisions, decisions…

For me, it comes down to the remainder of the ballot.  And I think that there is just too many worthy players on the ballot for Morris to pick up more votes than he did last year.  Sadly, I think he will get fewer votes this year than he did in years past as there are a lot more players on the ballot now that will grab votes.

Between Maddux, Glavine, Mussina, Kent, and Thomas – those guys are going to grab tons of votes.  Then you have Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, and Schilling still on the ballot from last year.  And don’t forget that votes will still be cast for Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds too.

Sadly, I think that the players that have been on the ballot for 8+ years are going to suffer the most over the next 4-5 years. The new additions to the ballot are going to keep forcing them farther and farther down the list so guys like Tim Raines, Lee Smith, and unfortunately Jack Morris are going to suffer as a result.

Sorry Mr. Morris, you would have my vote, but I just don’t see this happening…

What do you think??

Hall Of Fame Debate: Is Dustin Pedroia On Track For Hall Of Fame Induction?

Hall Of Fame Debate: Is Dustin Pedroia On Track For Hall Of Fame Induction?

For now, this will be my final ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ regarding players that starred in the 2013 World Series.

We’ve already debated Carlos Beltran and David Ortiz.

Now, we will take on the debate that surrounds Boston’s second baseman – Dustin Pedroia.

Dustin Pedroia

While I try not to have such conversations about players that are still in the prime of their career, I think Pedroia is a very interesting player to discuss.

In my opinion, Pedroia is on the border of elite and superb.  What makes him stand out is his approach to the game, his demeanor on the field, and the respect he has of the ballclub he plays for.

His numbers are pretty solid as well – a career .302 hitter with 1,218 hits in 8 major league seasons.  He offers a nice display of power for a little guy with 287 doubles and 99 dingers.  And while he is not blessed with the best speed on the team, his is a terrific base runner and has 119 career stolen bases and has scored 651 runs during his career.

Pedroia is also a terrific defender.  He is a 3-time Gold Glove Award winner and is the best defensive second baseman in the American League.

Pedroia won the Rookie of The Year Award in 2008, and followed it up with an MVP Award in 2009.  He has captured 1 Silver Slugger Award thus far, and as I mentioned earlier, he has 3 Gold Gloves to his credit.  He is also a 4-time All-Star.

Dustin Pedroia has won two World Series championships with the Boston Red Sox and has a postseason batting average of .247 with 25 RBI and 30 runs scored.

So, now to the debate….

Is this enough to say that Pedroia is a candidate for future Hall of Fame induction??  With so much already accomplished and so much still ahead of him, has he put together enough at the start of his career to be in the conversation of ‘current players most likely to be enshrined’??

For now, I will say that he is on track and I put him at a 60% chance of getting in.  I think that with so many years and seasons of playing big league ball ahead of him that anything can happen.  The beginning of his career has been very impressive, but taking it to the next level and becoming a perennial MVP candidate is something that would solidify his ranking among the current elite crop of players.  It is not his fault that he plays on very talented teams, but to be seen as the ‘best player on his team’ while they’re winning titles would be a huge feather in his cap!!

What do you think – Is Dustin Pedroia On Track For Hall Of Fame Induction?

Hall Of Fame Debate: Taking Another Look At ‘Big Papi’ David Ortiz

Hall Of Fame Debate: Taking Another Look At ‘Big Papi’ David Ortiz

We all know that without David Ortiz’s performance in the 2013 World Series that the Boston Red Sox would have been more challenged for the title.  His performance was epic, by all standards, and he deservedly was crowned as the World Series MVP.

In February of this year, we debated Ortiz’s Hall of Fame eligibility and gave our thoughts on his potential induction into Cooperstown.

The end result of that debate was pretty split.  You can review that original post here.

My question tonight is this – Did Papi’s performance in the 2013 World Series change your mind?  Did that sole series change your opinion on him?  We know it built his legacy as a player – that is not questionable.  But, did it elevate his status when you think about him as a possible ‘Hall of Famer’.

Big Papi Photo

For me, I had him penciled in as a future HOF’er before this season started.  His 2013 WS performance only solidified that stance in my eyes.

What do you think??  In 6 games, does your vote now swing towards David Ortiz and his future as a Hall of Famer?

Let me hear it!!

Hall Of Fame Debate: Cast Your Vote For Carlos Beltran!!!

Hall Of Fame Debate: Cast Your Vote For Carlos Beltran!!!

I’m going to take a little break from my ‘Head To Head’ battles with my Thursday series ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ as I wanted to talk about some of the players that battled in the 2013 World Series.

So, for the next four weeks, we will review the careers of four players that starred in the series to see if they are or will be Hall Of Fame worthy.  There will be 2 Cardinals players and 2 Red Sox players discussed in these posts.

Up first, Carlos Beltran.

Beltran Cardinals

Carlos Beltran completed his 16th season in the big leagues at the conclusion of the 2013 baseball season.  His numbers continue to impress, and he was probably the most well-rounded, and dependable, offensive player for the Cardinals this past season.

His career numbers include:

  • 2,228 hits
  • lifetime .283 batting average
  • lifetime .359 on-base percentage
  • 446 doubles
  • 358 home runs
  • 1,327 RBI
  • 1,346 runs scored
  • 308 stolen bases
  • 3,902 total bases
  • 1999 Rookie of the Year
  • 8-Time All-Star
  • 3 Gold Gloves
  • 2 Silver Sluggers
  • .333 Postseason batting average
  • 16 postseason home runs
  • 40 postseason RBI

A very, impressive, and still growing resume!

And, I think that with two more healthy seasons, playing in the right ballpark, Beltran can get to 400 career home runs, 1,500 RBI, and 1,500 runs scored.

And that is super impressive!  He would become just the fourth player in major league history to join the ‘400/300 Club’ alongside Willie Mays, Andre Dawson, and Barry Bonds.

On the flipside, the hits tally is on the lower side for an outfielder.  And while Beltran has averaged 155+ plus hits in each of the last two seasons, it would take that consistency over a 3 year stretch to reach 2,500 for his career.

Lastly, when you talk postseason, his name is cemented as one of the great performers of his generation.  His ability to hit for a high average and drive in runs when needed is elite.

Does Carlos Beltran get my vote for Hall of Fame enshrinement??  YES!!  I think he needs to knock off a few more milestones over the next 2-3 seasons, but I do believe that he will do just that.  And then the conversation will really take off.

Now, it is your turn.  Cast Your Vote For Carlos Beltran!!!

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – John Smoltz VS Tom Glavine

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – John Smoltz VS Tom Glavine

This is going to be a tough one.  And it is also going to end my ‘Head-to-Head’ battles for a little while as next week I will switch back to some of the ‘Cast Your Vote’ debates.

This week, we’ll debate the careers of John Smoltz and Tom Glavine – teammates for most of their major league careers, and legendary Atlanta Braves pitchers.

The battle may not be the ideal match-up, as Smoltz spent four seasons as a closer while Glavine remained a starting pitcher for the duration of his playing days, but it will still be fun.

First, let’s look at their career numbers:

Smoltz Glavine
Seasons 21 22
Innings Pitched 3,473 4,413
Wins 213 305
20-Win Seasons 1 5
15-19 Win Seasons 5 5
Win % 57.9% 60.0%
Complete Games 53 56
Shutouts 16 25
Saves 154 0
30-Save Seasons 0 0
40-Save Seasons 2 0
50-Save Seasons 1 0
ERA 3.33 3.54
WHIP 1.176 1.314
Strikeouts 3,084 2,607
Walks 1010 1,500
K:Walk 3.05 1.74
K:9 Innings 8 5.3
All-Star 8 10
Silver Slugger 1 3
Gold Glove 0 0
Cy Young 1 2
ROY 0 0
MVP 0 0
Postseasons 14 12
WS Titles 1 1

Two extremely solid performers.  And two players that will both land in Cooperstown when first eligible (at least, in my opinion).

But, if you had to choose one player that had the better career, who would you pick:  John Smoltz OR Tom Glavine??

The career tally of wins is very hard to ignore.  With almost more than 100 wins that Smoltz, Glavine’s career number is very high and super respectable.  But, had Smoltz never left the starting rotation for the bullpen, he may have been able to get closer to 280-300 wins evening out the difference between the two of them substantially.

Had Smoltz never gone to the bullpen then we may not have learned about what kind of character he has as a competitor.  Seriously, how many players with the tag of ‘Ace’ would leave the rotation to be a closer and do it willingly and with a smile?  Not many.  And not only did Smoltz do it, but he became the best closer in the National League during that stretch.

Wins and saves aside, I do think that the more dominant pitcher is obvious – and that is how my vote will go.  John Smoltz simply had ‘the stuff’ while Tom Glavine was more of a refined and deliberate pitcher.  In 1,000 less innings of work, John Smoltz struck out 320 more batters that Tom Glavine while walking 500 less.  He has a lower career ERA and WHIP while also averaging almost 3.0 more strikeouts per contest.

Tom Glavine and John Smoltz each won one World Series.  Tom Glavine has two Cy Young Awards and John Smoltz has just one.  Glavine also has a lot more ‘Top 5’ finishes for the award than Smoltz, with some coming while Smoltz was the closer.

Still, for me, Smoltz was the more complete pitcher.  He gets my vote!!!


So, who gets your vote of this epic battle of elite pitchers and teammates???

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Harmon Killebrew VS Jim Thome

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Harmon Killebrew VS Jim Thome

Ok guys, I promise that this week’s ‘Hall of Fame Debate’ will get us back on track after last week’s debacle.

This time around, we’re going to judge two players with very similar skill sets that played two era apart from one another – Harmon Killebrew & Jim Thome.

Both players are most known for their abilities to deliver the longball, and while Thome’s career number is higher than Killebrew’s there is enough in their stats to put the two into a head-to-head battle.

So, that is exactly what I’ll do.

First – the numbers:

Killebrew Thome
Seasons 22 22
Games 2,435 2,543
Hits 2,086 2,328
200 Hit Seasons 0 0
150-199 Hit Seasons 4 4
Batting Average 0.256 0.276
.300+ Seasons 1 3
Batting Titles 0 0
On-Base % 0.376 0.402
Walks Drawn 1559 1747
Strikeouts 1699 2548
Doubles 290 451
Triples 24 26
Home Runs 573 612
30-39 HR Seasons 2 6
40+ HR Seasons 8 6
Stolen Bases 19 19
Runs Scored 1,283 1,583
100-Run Seasons 2 8
RBI 1,584 1,699
100-RBI Seasons 9 9
All-Star 11 5
Gold Glove 0
Silver Slugger 1
ROY 0 0
MVP 1 0
Postseasons 3 10
WS Titles 0 0

The standouts (for me):

  1. Killebrew’s very low number of career hits versus games played
  2. Both players offered very low single season hit tallies
  3. Thome’s .402 on-base percentage
  4. Thome has 850 more strikeouts in 100 more games
  5. Thome’s doubles
  6. Killebrew’s low number of 30-39 HR Seasons
  7. Killebrew’s impressive run of 40-HR Seasons
  8. Thome scored a lot more runs
  9. Thome’s lack of All-Star selections
  10. Thome’s 10 postseason appearances

Wow, this one is going to be tough.  And it is even tougher when I witnessed the full career of one player and never saw the other player play in a single game.

This time around, I will have to let the numbers do the talking…

And for me, the numbers give a slight edge to Jim Thome.

When I examine the careers of these two players, it is obvious that each of them was in the lineup to offer offense.  And Jim Thome did that.  And he did it at a greater rate.  Thome scored 300 more runs than Killebrew and he also scored 100 or more runs in eight different seasons.  His home run tally was a little higher than that of Killebrew’s but for me it was the 12 seasons of 30+ over Killebrew’s 10 that stood out.  Thome also delivered a lot more doubles (which can speak to the ballparks he played in) and a much higher on-base percentage.

On the negative side, Thome struck out 850 more times than Killebrew – that is simply awful.  He was also selected as an All-Star just five times while Killebrew made the All-Star team eleven times in an era packed with elite players in the outfield.  Thome was never a ROY or MVP, but he did participate in ten postseasons while Killebrew just made 3.

Ultimately, I went with Thome for two reasons: Run scoring & On-Base percentage.


So, who gets your vote in the battle of ‘500-HR Club’ members?

Cast your vote now!!

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Eddie Murray VS Rafael Palmeiro

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Eddie Murray VS Rafael Palmeiro

Originally when I thought of this pairing, I thought it would be fun to put up two members of the ‘500/3000 Club’ up against one another.

But, when you factor in Rafael Pelmeiro’s numbers and how he got better and better with age after teaming with other PED-suspected players on his roster, and it is pretty obvious how long Raffy did steroids and how his individual numbers really started to soar into un-Palmeiro-like tallies.

Still, I thought the conversation would be fun.

The stats don’t lie – these numbers are unreal:

Murray Palmeiro
Seasons 21 20
Games 3,026 2,831
Hits 3,255 3,020
200 Hit Seasons 0 1
150-199 Hit Seasons 14 12
Batting Average 0.287 0.288
.300+ Seasons 7 6
Batting Titles 0 0
On-Base % 0.359 0.371
Walks Drawn 1333 1353
Strikeouts 1516 1348
Doubles 560 585
Triples 35 38
Home Runs 504 569
30-39 HR Seasons 5 6
40+ HR Seasons 0 4
Stolen Bases 110 97
Runs Scored 1,627 1,663
100-Run Seasons 3 4
RBI 1,917 1,835
100-RBI Seasons 6 10
All-Star 8 4
Gold Glove 3 3
Silver Slugger 3 2
ROY 1 0
MVP 0 0
Postseasons 4 3
WS Titles 1 0



Both of these guys amassed some very lofty numbers.   And while there are a few cases in which Palmeiro outshined Murray, all of them can be linked to a spike in annual input right around the time when it was believed that Raffy was juicing.

Looking at the numbers side-by-side really just makes me appreciate Eddie Murray even more.  Anyone that ‘did it clean’ for as long and consistently as he did it is deserving of praise – so ultimately that is what this week’s ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ is all about – the praise of ‘Steady Eddie’.

You can still cast you vote if you’d like, but there really is no need.  Everything that Rafael Palmeiro accomplished individually in the baseball world is forever tarnished and it is deplorable that he stands as just one of four baseball heroes to launch 500 home runs and connect for 3,000 hits during their careers.

Instead of casting a vote tonight, please take a minute and appreciate the solid, legendary career of Eddie Murray instead.

Eddie Murray

I promise that next week we will get back on track with the debates.  Sorry for the tirade…

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Jim Rice VS Dave Parker

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Jim Rice VS Dave Parker

One of the amazing things about baseball is that sometimes the numbers just cannot tell you about the true impact that a player had on his team or the sport.

Case in point – there are several players that starred in the 1970’s whose numbers are on par with the best players of the decade, the Hall of Famers, from the same era.  Some of those names are Jack Morris, Keith Hernandez, Steve Garvey, Alan Trammell, and one that I especially am fond of, Mr. Dave Parker.

I tried to find the best player to compare Parker to so I could demonstrate this through the numbers, and I think that a player that fits the bill is Jim Rice.

Personally, when I review these careers of these two players side-by-side I see the same player.  Both great, not elite, but certainly upper-crust.

Have a look:

Jim Rice Dave Parker
Seasons 16 19
Games 2,089 2,466
Hits 2,452 2,712
200 Hit Seasons 4 1
150-199 Hit Seasons 6 10
Batting Average 0.298 0.29
.300+ Seasons 7 6
Batting Titles 0 2
On-Base % 0.352 0.339
Walks Drawn 670 683
Strikeouts 1423 1537
Doubles 373 526
Triples 79 75
Home Runs 382 339
30-39 HR Seasons 3 3
40+ HR Seasons 1 0
Stolen Bases 58 154
Runs Scored 1,249 1,272
100-Run Seasons 3 3
RBI 1,451 1,493
100-RBI Seasons 8 4
All-Star 8 6
Gold Glove 0 3
Silver Slugger 2 3
ROY 0 0
MVP 1 1
Postseasons 2 5
WS Titles 0 2

The stand-out stats for me:

  • Parker has almost 275 more career hits
  • Very consistent annual hit tally from both
  • Extremely close lifetime batting average
  • Parker’s two batting titles is a solid accomplishment
  • Plate discipline is close
  • Parker’s doubles is much greater than that of Rice who played in a ‘doubles friendly’ park for his whole career
  • Rice has almost 50 more HR’s
  • Parker has almost 100 more stolen bases
  • Run production is extremely close
  • Post-season accolades is similar
  • Parker’s 2 World Series rings is HUGE

So, the players appear to be comparable in baseball accomplishments – yet one is in the Hall of Fame and one is not.


Let’s Debate!!!  Who would you choose?  Who was the better player??

For me, it comes down to a few things – and all of them point to Dave Parker getting my vote.  Parker was a contributor on two different teams that won World Series titles – that means a lot.  He also won two batting titles (1977 & 1978) in a time that featured a handful of guys that were collecting 200+ hits per season.  Based on the stolen base numbers, Parker was a much more aggressive base runner than Rice and he also averaged fewer strikeouts than Rice as well.  While Rice put up solid numbers, and maybe was a bit more consistent with the power production, his numbers do not exceed those by Parker by an overwhelming amount.

So, my vote goes to Dave Parker.  I firmly believe that he belongs in the Hall of Fame alongside Jim Rice.  And while neither player was the lone star on the teams that they played for, both were very solid teammates that produced wins and winning seasons for their clubs.

What do you think?  Who would you take: Jim Rice OR Dave Parker??

Let the debate begin!!!



‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Andre Dawson VS Dave Winfield

‘Hall Of Fame Debate’ – Andre Dawson VS Dave Winfield

Time for me to put my favorite player into a ‘HOF Debate’ and I think that I have picked a worthy opponent – fellow Hall or Famer, Dave Winfield.

While Winfield is probably the more popular player, I think that the recognition he earned has also been helped by the teams he has played for over the course of his playing days.

Here is a statistical look at the two players:

Winfield Dawson
Seasons 22 21
Games 2,973 2,627
Hits 3,110 2,774
200 Hit Seasons 0 0
150-199 Hit Seasons 11 10
Batting Average 0.283 0.279
.300+ Seasons 4 5
On-Base % 0.353 0.323
Walks Drawn 1216 589
Strikeouts 1686 1509
Doubles 540 503
Triples 88 98
Home Runs 465 438
30-39 HR Seasons 3 2
40+ HR Seasons 0 1
Stolen Bases 223 314
Runs Scored 1,669 1,373
100-Run Seasons 3 2
RBI 1,833 1,591
100-RBI Seasons 8 4
All-Star 12 8
Gold Glove 7 8
Silver Slugger 6 7
ROY 0 1
MVP 0 1
Postseasons 2 2
WS Titles 1 0

My takeaways from the numbers:

  • For playing in just one more campaign than Dawson, Winfield managed to stay healthy more and played in 350 more games
  • Winfield’s 3,110 hits are almost 300 more than Dawson’s
  • Batting average and annual hit output are very similar
  • Winfield’s on-base percentage is much higher than Dawson’s
  • Power numbers are close
  • Neither player had as many 30+ HR seasons as one may expect
  • Dawson’s stolen bases are much higher – 314 career swipes
  • Winfield scored almost 300 more runs
  • Winfield drove in more than 240 more runs
  • Dawson is the lone ROY of the group
  • Dawson is the lone MVP of the group
  • Winfield is the lone World Series winner

Wow, this one is going to be tough.  Very tough.

On one end you have a player in the 3,000 Hits club that won a World Series.  And on the other side, you have a Rookie of the Year award winner and league MVP.

One guy has the greater individual credentials and the other guy was once tagged as ‘the best in the game’.


For me, I consider these player to be very on par with one another.  Dawson was a better base runner but Winfield was able to collect a lot more hits.

I have to be fair.  And I have to be honest.  In the above stats, I provided the strikeouts and walks for a reason – plate discipline means a lot to me.  Dave Winfield may have struck out 180 more times that Andre Dawson during his playing days, but you cannot ignore that he drew 630 more walks than Dawson.  And for me, that is extremely telling – it says that Winfield has a great ‘eye’ but it also shows the respect he had from the opponent.

So, while I would easily see that Andre Dawson had the best single season between the duo, but Dave Winfield has achieved more.

My vote goes to Dave Winfield, by a very narrow margin.


Who do you select in this epic ‘Hall Of Fame Debate’????